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		<title>Comment on Sovereign Rights by ◄Dave►</title>
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		<dc:creator>◄Dave►</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 08:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please forgive my slow response, Ted. There is a lot going on in the news lately, which has my attention and keyboard focused elsewhere. I am going to split my reply into two parts, and address your concerns with libertarianism in the second half. No, I haven&#039;t given up on you yet, although I must admit any enthusiasm I may have had for this project is waning.

If we cannot get past your race bugaboo, and into some substantive discussions on politics, ideology, or philosophy, I will lose interest. You have accomplished one thing, however. I now recognize that the obsession with race on the Left is real, and not just a cudgel they use to avoid debating the merits of ideas emanating from the Right.

To answer your basic question, no, I do not think white racism is anywhere near being a negative force to be reckoned with in America. The exceedingly tiny minority of white racists you identify as &#039;white supremacists,&#039; are often more accurately referred to as &#039;white separatists.&#039; As far as I can tell, they have no latent desire to subjugate the Black race.

Quite the opposite, they appear to wish to avoid all contact with it. Nirvana for the most extreme among them, is a redoubt in the mountains of Idaho, where they can live their lives as they choose, beyond the reach of altruistic busybodies, acting out their Robin-Hood fantasies. There, they can raise their families in an atmosphere free of what they consider the pernicious effects, of the debauchery of Progressive and/or ghetto culture.

They just prefer their own traditional American culture, refuse to apologize or feel guilty for being born White, and reject any personal responsibility for the actions of their ancestors. I understand that these are not Politically Correct views, and they don&#039;t fit into the White Guilt paradigm of the Left; but please explain in what way dropping out of mainstream society, would harm those they are quite willing to leave alone, in return for being left alone.

Yes, there are a few reprehensible militant skinheads and neo-Nazis among them; but they are far less influential among rednecks, than the Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan, or the likes of Jeremiah Wright are among Blacks. 

Personally, I have zero respect for any of these hateful groups, White or Black, and rarely encounter anyone who does; especially on the Right among the TEA Party folks, et al. Indeed, any reasonably charismatic Black conservative, expressing an interest in political office, is immediately vaulted into veritable rockstar status among conservatives. E.g. Allen West, Herman Cain, and their latest heartthrob, Dr. Ben Carson.

You may think this is merely tokenism; but I think not. It strikes me as a rather pathetic reaction to the incessant charges of racism from their political opponents, and a desperate attempt to prove to the country that their rejection of Obama&#039;s collectivist ideology, has nothing whatever to do with his race, and everything to do with his agenda.

That said, I will turn to politics. While you are waiting for the rest of my reply, I have some more homework for you. Please read my essay, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/essays/incumbrepublocrats/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Incumbrepublocrats&lt;/a&gt;.&quot; It is important for you to understand my disdain for the duopoly and why. 

Then, please understand that I am not a Libertarian. When that word is capitalized, it refers to the Libertarian Party, of which I am not a member, and have no interest in joining. I do often refer to myself as a small (el) libertarian, as a shortcut to avoid having to explain objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand, which best describes my own, yet so few have ever encountered. More soon... ◄Dave►]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please forgive my slow response, Ted. There is a lot going on in the news lately, which has my attention and keyboard focused elsewhere. I am going to split my reply into two parts, and address your concerns with libertarianism in the second half. No, I haven&#8217;t given up on you yet, although I must admit any enthusiasm I may have had for this project is waning.</p>
<p>If we cannot get past your race bugaboo, and into some substantive discussions on politics, ideology, or philosophy, I will lose interest. You have accomplished one thing, however. I now recognize that the obsession with race on the Left is real, and not just a cudgel they use to avoid debating the merits of ideas emanating from the Right.</p>
<p>To answer your basic question, no, I do not think white racism is anywhere near being a negative force to be reckoned with in America. The exceedingly tiny minority of white racists you identify as &#8216;white supremacists,&#8217; are often more accurately referred to as &#8216;white separatists.&#8217; As far as I can tell, they have no latent desire to subjugate the Black race.</p>
<p>Quite the opposite, they appear to wish to avoid all contact with it. Nirvana for the most extreme among them, is a redoubt in the mountains of Idaho, where they can live their lives as they choose, beyond the reach of altruistic busybodies, acting out their Robin-Hood fantasies. There, they can raise their families in an atmosphere free of what they consider the pernicious effects, of the debauchery of Progressive and/or ghetto culture.</p>
<p>They just prefer their own traditional American culture, refuse to apologize or feel guilty for being born White, and reject any personal responsibility for the actions of their ancestors. I understand that these are not Politically Correct views, and they don&#8217;t fit into the White Guilt paradigm of the Left; but please explain in what way dropping out of mainstream society, would harm those they are quite willing to leave alone, in return for being left alone.</p>
<p>Yes, there are a few reprehensible militant skinheads and neo-Nazis among them; but they are far less influential among rednecks, than the Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan, or the likes of Jeremiah Wright are among Blacks. </p>
<p>Personally, I have zero respect for any of these hateful groups, White or Black, and rarely encounter anyone who does; especially on the Right among the TEA Party folks, et al. Indeed, any reasonably charismatic Black conservative, expressing an interest in political office, is immediately vaulted into veritable rockstar status among conservatives. E.g. Allen West, Herman Cain, and their latest heartthrob, Dr. Ben Carson.</p>
<p>You may think this is merely tokenism; but I think not. It strikes me as a rather pathetic reaction to the incessant charges of racism from their political opponents, and a desperate attempt to prove to the country that their rejection of Obama&#8217;s collectivist ideology, has nothing whatever to do with his race, and everything to do with his agenda.</p>
<p>That said, I will turn to politics. While you are waiting for the rest of my reply, I have some more homework for you. Please read my essay, &#8220;<a href="http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/essays/incumbrepublocrats/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Incumbrepublocrats</a>.&#8221; It is important for you to understand my disdain for the duopoly and why. </p>
<p>Then, please understand that I am not a Libertarian. When that word is capitalized, it refers to the Libertarian Party, of which I am not a member, and have no interest in joining. I do often refer to myself as a small (el) libertarian, as a shortcut to avoid having to explain objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand, which best describes my own, yet so few have ever encountered. More soon&#8230; ◄Dave►</p>
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		<title>Comment on Civil Disobedience by Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 15:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Dave,

Good commentary. One only needs to work for a police department, as I have, to cement what is a belief derived from simple observation of self and other that the law even in this land with the reputation of having the &quot;rule of law&quot;, is very subjectively administered. Does the average police department in any big city use profiling along a racial axis? Of course they do! Not just on occasion or some of the time, but as an integral part of their work. Using one&#039;s prejudices along the racial axis or any other axis is what keeps a police officer alive in a heartbeat moment when there is no time to analyize and prevaricate. A good case in point can be found reading in today&#039;s news about the IRS&#039; special treatment of the tax exempt status for Tea Partiers and others on the right. This treatment now, I predict, will be short circuited not because it is unfair, which of course it is, but because Tea Partiers and the like have political clout. But in the case of driving while Black, where being Black IS the probable cause for detention, there is no end in sight for this practice, owing partly to misconceptions and hypocracies, which your commentary above clarifies, about &quot;the rule of law&quot;. From here I could go on and indentify just who I think is benefiting from the current &quot;rule of law&quot;, but I suspect this is where we would diverge, so enough said at this time. Again, good, needed commentary, clearly and unabiasly rendered. Ted]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,</p>
<p>Good commentary. One only needs to work for a police department, as I have, to cement what is a belief derived from simple observation of self and other that the law even in this land with the reputation of having the &#8220;rule of law&#8221;, is very subjectively administered. Does the average police department in any big city use profiling along a racial axis? Of course they do! Not just on occasion or some of the time, but as an integral part of their work. Using one&#8217;s prejudices along the racial axis or any other axis is what keeps a police officer alive in a heartbeat moment when there is no time to analyize and prevaricate. A good case in point can be found reading in today&#8217;s news about the IRS&#8217; special treatment of the tax exempt status for Tea Partiers and others on the right. This treatment now, I predict, will be short circuited not because it is unfair, which of course it is, but because Tea Partiers and the like have political clout. But in the case of driving while Black, where being Black IS the probable cause for detention, there is no end in sight for this practice, owing partly to misconceptions and hypocracies, which your commentary above clarifies, about &#8220;the rule of law&#8221;. From here I could go on and indentify just who I think is benefiting from the current &#8220;rule of law&#8221;, but I suspect this is where we would diverge, so enough said at this time. Again, good, needed commentary, clearly and unabiasly rendered. Ted</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Attempt To Clarify by Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 17:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Larry,
While I lack a direct answer to the question, it is my considered opinion that no side ever actually &quot;wins&quot; a war.

Troy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry,<br />
While I lack a direct answer to the question, it is my considered opinion that no side ever actually &#8220;wins&#8221; a war.</p>
<p>Troy</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sovereign Rights by Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2013 20:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Dave,

After reading two of your essays and quite a few posts before my original commentary, I did not have a great deal of concern for any White surpremacy you did or did not possess. However, now I think the issue with me is, do you even think White racism is a force and a negative force in the U.S. today? I do. And I do because of our race&#039;s abundantly successful history, man&#039;s territorial instincts and changing U.S. demographics. 

I am not surprised to hear about your history of close associations in the past with other races and ethnicities. And yes, you are right. You have me beaten. But then, even though my associations are good as well along the same lines, I have the freedom as a visitor here to say that I think it unwise to claim freedom from racism; and so I will not. Your report of your personal associations fits in with your dialogue and writings. This consistency gives me confidence and I hope we can move on from here. Additionally, I hope my confidence is reciprocated in and by you, and I hope that you don&#039;t mind that I take the lead. 

You were wondering why I brought up the subject of White supremacy and thought that maybe I was trying to put you on the defensive. If I did put you on the defensive, I am sorry. I will rephrase my concern and respectfully hope that this time it sticks and we now are ready to redirect our focus.

Libertariansim has appealed to me for a long time, but I stayed away because its membership was small and too close to Republicanism, which was by my way of thinking much more respectable, albeit smaller, prior to the 1980s, when they absorbed the racist White southerners who fled the Democratic Party. Some time later, they became the home of an increasingly involved evangelical Christian  membership, allowing them for the first time to compete effectively in virtually every political race in the country. In your diagram of the U.S. political spectrum, whose investigation brought me to your website, I saw the grafic justification for my concern. 

Especially since Libertarians are not a large party, conceivably they will see the need to form alliances, indeed probably they already have, to achieve their political goals. Should they ally themselves with today&#039;s Republican party (which I believe is 89% White), some of whose members espouse the interests of corporatism, religion, and the military, they would make the three legged union that could in time plunge us to the Fascist bottom of your political sprectum diagram. In the 1930s in Europe, after economic upheavals and depression, our anglosaxon ancestors in four countries chose that Fascist route, which had as part of its intellectual framework racial purity, said route in Germany led to the realization of nightmarish scenarios, as well as global war. After the Civil War, when the White southerners (now Democrats) were in position to have to relate to the Black man as an equal, due to the imposed political regime of the victorious North, they created the murderous and terriorist KKK.

I understand that you believe America&#039;s greatest threat is from the left, so maybe you will judge it not worth your time to respond. Nevertheless I will pose the question: is there any danger that Libertarians could be used by a much more powerful Republican party in this way in the foreseeable future? Your ideas are clearly stated on this website and it seems clear-navigation is possible, but is it really? Or am I making assumptions that do not fit into any  realistic scenario, now and/or in the future?

In advance, Thank you. Ted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dave,</p>
<p>After reading two of your essays and quite a few posts before my original commentary, I did not have a great deal of concern for any White surpremacy you did or did not possess. However, now I think the issue with me is, do you even think White racism is a force and a negative force in the U.S. today? I do. And I do because of our race&#8217;s abundantly successful history, man&#8217;s territorial instincts and changing U.S. demographics. </p>
<p>I am not surprised to hear about your history of close associations in the past with other races and ethnicities. And yes, you are right. You have me beaten. But then, even though my associations are good as well along the same lines, I have the freedom as a visitor here to say that I think it unwise to claim freedom from racism; and so I will not. Your report of your personal associations fits in with your dialogue and writings. This consistency gives me confidence and I hope we can move on from here. Additionally, I hope my confidence is reciprocated in and by you, and I hope that you don&#8217;t mind that I take the lead. </p>
<p>You were wondering why I brought up the subject of White supremacy and thought that maybe I was trying to put you on the defensive. If I did put you on the defensive, I am sorry. I will rephrase my concern and respectfully hope that this time it sticks and we now are ready to redirect our focus.</p>
<p>Libertariansim has appealed to me for a long time, but I stayed away because its membership was small and too close to Republicanism, which was by my way of thinking much more respectable, albeit smaller, prior to the 1980s, when they absorbed the racist White southerners who fled the Democratic Party. Some time later, they became the home of an increasingly involved evangelical Christian  membership, allowing them for the first time to compete effectively in virtually every political race in the country. In your diagram of the U.S. political spectrum, whose investigation brought me to your website, I saw the grafic justification for my concern. </p>
<p>Especially since Libertarians are not a large party, conceivably they will see the need to form alliances, indeed probably they already have, to achieve their political goals. Should they ally themselves with today&#8217;s Republican party (which I believe is 89% White), some of whose members espouse the interests of corporatism, religion, and the military, they would make the three legged union that could in time plunge us to the Fascist bottom of your political sprectum diagram. In the 1930s in Europe, after economic upheavals and depression, our anglosaxon ancestors in four countries chose that Fascist route, which had as part of its intellectual framework racial purity, said route in Germany led to the realization of nightmarish scenarios, as well as global war. After the Civil War, when the White southerners (now Democrats) were in position to have to relate to the Black man as an equal, due to the imposed political regime of the victorious North, they created the murderous and terriorist KKK.</p>
<p>I understand that you believe America&#8217;s greatest threat is from the left, so maybe you will judge it not worth your time to respond. Nevertheless I will pose the question: is there any danger that Libertarians could be used by a much more powerful Republican party in this way in the foreseeable future? Your ideas are clearly stated on this website and it seems clear-navigation is possible, but is it really? Or am I making assumptions that do not fit into any  realistic scenario, now and/or in the future?</p>
<p>In advance, Thank you. Ted.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Attempt To Clarify by Larry Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 14:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Further, if your solution comes to pass, I wonder which side of the inevitable civil war would most likely survive the chemical and nuclear weapon exchange?  Who would enforce a no fly zone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further, if your solution comes to pass, I wonder which side of the inevitable civil war would most likely survive the chemical and nuclear weapon exchange?  Who would enforce a no fly zone?</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Attempt To Clarify by Larry Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 14:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Troy...no quibbling from me. Great post that I think is accurate in its presentation of the state of our union. I am not ready to side with your solution but it may come to that.  I still think the pendulum will swing back for a while altho one could certainly argue that each swing brings a new norm that is a bigger government and more socialism.

Of course, whichever new government gets the most of the military&#039;s tanks and drone will take over the other anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troy&#8230;no quibbling from me. Great post that I think is accurate in its presentation of the state of our union. I am not ready to side with your solution but it may come to that.  I still think the pendulum will swing back for a while altho one could certainly argue that each swing brings a new norm that is a bigger government and more socialism.</p>
<p>Of course, whichever new government gets the most of the military&#8217;s tanks and drone will take over the other anyway.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Attempt To Clarify by Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 14:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave,
The primary purpose of language is to communicate.  To that end, I take whatever liberties I see fit if I think they will suit my purposes.

I realize that I violated the &quot;State law&quot; but I did so knowingly hoping to emphasize the generic State as opposed to specific States of the Union.

As for my supposed pyramid, I matters not to the intent of the article whether the hierarchy is top to bottom, bottom to top or side to side since I argue that all of the entities in the mix should retain sufficient power to check abuses by the others.

As for personal pronouns, I choose to submit to PC so as not to detract from the intent of the article.

The United States of America is the proper name for a specific nation state.

These United States refers to the collection of States that constitute that nation.

Troy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
The primary purpose of language is to communicate.  To that end, I take whatever liberties I see fit if I think they will suit my purposes.</p>
<p>I realize that I violated the &#8220;State law&#8221; but I did so knowingly hoping to emphasize the generic State as opposed to specific States of the Union.</p>
<p>As for my supposed pyramid, I matters not to the intent of the article whether the hierarchy is top to bottom, bottom to top or side to side since I argue that all of the entities in the mix should retain sufficient power to check abuses by the others.</p>
<p>As for personal pronouns, I choose to submit to PC so as not to detract from the intent of the article.</p>
<p>The United States of America is the proper name for a specific nation state.</p>
<p>These United States refers to the collection of States that constitute that nation.</p>
<p>Troy</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sovereign Rights by ◄Dave►</title>
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		<dc:creator>◄Dave►</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2013 07:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the kind words regarding my writing style, Ted. I rather enjoy civil debate, with reasonable fellows holding opposing viewpoints. Preaching to the choir can become boring, and few things give me as much pleasure, as having my rather open mind changed by a cogent argument.

That said, the knee-jerk charge of racism that emanates from the Left of late, the moment someone challenges their altruistic dogma, is becoming rather tedious. I generally find it to be a hallmark of a troll, unworthy of my time to engage.

Given the impression the rest of your comment leaves, it seems unlikely that you actually suspect that I might be a white supremacist. Else, you would not have bothered to read more than one of my essays, much less comment on one of them. So, why even bring it up?

If your motive was to put me on the defensive, you have failed. BS charges of racism just won&#039;t stick to me. I don&#039;t do &quot;White Guilt&quot; (see: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cir-usa.org/articles/156.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shelby Steele&lt;/a&gt;, a colleague at Stanford with one of my heroes, Thomas Sowell). Like Professor Steele, I am a staunch individualist, and judge others as individuals on their character, not their affinity groupings.

Had I the slightest interest in group identity politics, focused on what our ancestors might have done to each other, I would probably trot out my grandmother&#039;s bloodline, and join the Cherokee Nation. In a waning culture that exalts victimhood over self-reliance, the perceived victims will be the winners, for as long as it lasts.

Guilt free, I can freely admit that I have serious issues with the debauched culture flourishing in modern American ghettos. You may even call it prejudice if you like; but this has nothing whatever to do with race, and everything to do with the unforgivably debilitating culture the Left perpetuates there.

Further, I lived in Africa back in the &#039;70s, and developed an affinity for the simplicity of native African cultures, when viewed apart from the brutal tragedy of tribalism (see: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2009/01/03/mindpower/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mindpower&lt;/a&gt;&quot;). Our ghetto culture bears no resemblance whatever, and I wholeheartedly condemn those perpetuating the lie that it does.

I particularly despise the racist poverty pimps, like Sharpton, Jackson, et al, who profit handsomely from keeping people mired in ignorance and poverty therein. When I see universal vouchers for ghetto children&#039;s education, I&#039;ll consider believing that the Left cares a whit for the welfare and future of these reliable Democrat voters. Until then, it is all BS rhetoric.

Oh, and one more thing. I am probably demonstrably more multiculturalist than you are. I married a Creole from the Seychelles Islands back in the &#039;60s (See: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2012/06/17/marriage-should-be-reframed-not-redefined/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Marriage Should Be Reframed - Not Redefined&lt;/a&gt;&quot;). I have had Mexican, Japanese, and Korean girlfriends; and my last significant other was a British lady, once married to a very black (albeit Asian) man in Ceylon (Sri Lanka).

Let&#039;s have no more innuendo that I might be a white supremacist. If you can agree, then we can address your other concerns. Fair enough? ◄Dave►]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words regarding my writing style, Ted. I rather enjoy civil debate, with reasonable fellows holding opposing viewpoints. Preaching to the choir can become boring, and few things give me as much pleasure, as having my rather open mind changed by a cogent argument.</p>
<p>That said, the knee-jerk charge of racism that emanates from the Left of late, the moment someone challenges their altruistic dogma, is becoming rather tedious. I generally find it to be a hallmark of a troll, unworthy of my time to engage.</p>
<p>Given the impression the rest of your comment leaves, it seems unlikely that you actually suspect that I might be a white supremacist. Else, you would not have bothered to read more than one of my essays, much less comment on one of them. So, why even bring it up?</p>
<p>If your motive was to put me on the defensive, you have failed. BS charges of racism just won&#8217;t stick to me. I don&#8217;t do &#8220;White Guilt&#8221; (see: <a href="http://www.cir-usa.org/articles/156.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Shelby Steele</a>, a colleague at Stanford with one of my heroes, Thomas Sowell). Like Professor Steele, I am a staunch individualist, and judge others as individuals on their character, not their affinity groupings.</p>
<p>Had I the slightest interest in group identity politics, focused on what our ancestors might have done to each other, I would probably trot out my grandmother&#8217;s bloodline, and join the Cherokee Nation. In a waning culture that exalts victimhood over self-reliance, the perceived victims will be the winners, for as long as it lasts.</p>
<p>Guilt free, I can freely admit that I have serious issues with the debauched culture flourishing in modern American ghettos. You may even call it prejudice if you like; but this has nothing whatever to do with race, and everything to do with the unforgivably debilitating culture the Left perpetuates there.</p>
<p>Further, I lived in Africa back in the &#8217;70s, and developed an affinity for the simplicity of native African cultures, when viewed apart from the brutal tragedy of tribalism (see: &#8220;<a href="http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2009/01/03/mindpower/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Mindpower</a>&#8220;). Our ghetto culture bears no resemblance whatever, and I wholeheartedly condemn those perpetuating the lie that it does.</p>
<p>I particularly despise the racist poverty pimps, like Sharpton, Jackson, et al, who profit handsomely from keeping people mired in ignorance and poverty therein. When I see universal vouchers for ghetto children&#8217;s education, I&#8217;ll consider believing that the Left cares a whit for the welfare and future of these reliable Democrat voters. Until then, it is all BS rhetoric.</p>
<p>Oh, and one more thing. I am probably demonstrably more multiculturalist than you are. I married a Creole from the Seychelles Islands back in the &#8217;60s (See: &#8220;<a href="http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2012/06/17/marriage-should-be-reframed-not-redefined/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Marriage Should Be Reframed &#8211; Not Redefined</a>&#8220;). I have had Mexican, Japanese, and Korean girlfriends; and my last significant other was a British lady, once married to a very black (albeit Asian) man in Ceylon (Sri Lanka).</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s have no more innuendo that I might be a white supremacist. If you can agree, then we can address your other concerns. Fair enough? ◄Dave►</p>
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		<dc:creator>◄Dave►</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2013 19:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A thoughtful article, Troy, and I agree with your premise and conclusion. I do have a few quibbles, most of which regard the English language.

First, I distinctly recall learning in junior high school that one is to capitalize State, when referring to States within our union. E.g. the State of Texas; States&#039; rights; southern States, etc. The lower case was to be used when referring to a generic state, as a synonym for country or nation. E.g. sovereign state; territory of the state; nation state, etc. When did this change? I still do this; did Orwell catch me napping?

I also learned in English class that the masculine personal pronoun subsumes the feminine, when used to reference either. I understand that this quirk in the English language gives certain feminazis fits. Personally, I too eschew the tedious PC constructs, of &#039;he or she&#039; and &#039;him or her&#039;; but that does not give us license to employ the impersonal &#039;its,&#039; when referring to individuals. I just keep using my pretty female English teacher&#039;s lessons as my guide; Orwell and PC be damned. I really don&#039;t mind irritating them. :) 

Substantially, I would challenge your hierarchy for our levels of government. As I explain in my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/essays/sovereign-rights/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sovereign Rights&lt;/a&gt; essay, I would invert your pyramid. I put sovereign individuals at the top, county governments next, then the State governments, with the Federal government at the bottom. Actually, I try to again use English carefully, to keep this perspective in mind, by referring to &#039;&lt;em&gt;these&lt;/em&gt;&#039; United States of America, instead of &#039;&lt;em&gt;the&lt;/em&gt;.&#039; The federation is a construct of, by, and for these States; not the other way &#039;round. ◄Dave►]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thoughtful article, Troy, and I agree with your premise and conclusion. I do have a few quibbles, most of which regard the English language.</p>
<p>First, I distinctly recall learning in junior high school that one is to capitalize State, when referring to States within our union. E.g. the State of Texas; States&#8217; rights; southern States, etc. The lower case was to be used when referring to a generic state, as a synonym for country or nation. E.g. sovereign state; territory of the state; nation state, etc. When did this change? I still do this; did Orwell catch me napping?</p>
<p>I also learned in English class that the masculine personal pronoun subsumes the feminine, when used to reference either. I understand that this quirk in the English language gives certain feminazis fits. Personally, I too eschew the tedious PC constructs, of &#8216;he or she&#8217; and &#8216;him or her&#8217;; but that does not give us license to employ the impersonal &#8216;its,&#8217; when referring to individuals. I just keep using my pretty female English teacher&#8217;s lessons as my guide; Orwell and PC be damned. I really don&#8217;t mind irritating them. <img src='http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Substantially, I would challenge your hierarchy for our levels of government. As I explain in my <a href="http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/essays/sovereign-rights/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sovereign Rights</a> essay, I would invert your pyramid. I put sovereign individuals at the top, county governments next, then the State governments, with the Federal government at the bottom. Actually, I try to again use English carefully, to keep this perspective in mind, by referring to &#8216;<em>these</em>&#8216; United States of America, instead of &#8216;<em>the</em>.&#8217; The federation is a construct of, by, and for these States; not the other way &#8217;round. ◄Dave►</p>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 14:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Dave,

I probably will be an English teacher soon and so first I would like to complement you on the simple, direct, and orderly way in which you lay out your ideas.
Now my concerns: you don&#039;t mention &quot;the White race&quot;, but your ideas have been circulating through White supremacist circles for many years. Is this connection coincidential or purposeful on your part?

I have been tempted to go the Libertarian way, but my concern is that it does not have the political presence in this country to establish a perch alone uncorrupted by dangerous political factions that in some stages are similar to it. For instance, if you have to align yourselves in the &quot;real&quot; world away from ideas with pious conservatives, unrestrained corporations, and a military that can create and protect the S. Koreas of the world, it&#039;s an easy slide to the Fascist bottom of your circular political spectrum, a possible fearful consequence especially considering my first concern above.

I am about your age. Like you, I live in California. I have spent my entire life in the big cities of California. I am also a product of the public school system and have spent many years, because I am not organized, on public university campuses. However, I recoil at the specter of applied Marxism, and I hope that if my life&#039;s trail is apparent in my writing, it will not dissuade you from responding to my post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,</p>
<p>I probably will be an English teacher soon and so first I would like to complement you on the simple, direct, and orderly way in which you lay out your ideas.<br />
Now my concerns: you don&#8217;t mention &#8220;the White race&#8221;, but your ideas have been circulating through White supremacist circles for many years. Is this connection coincidential or purposeful on your part?</p>
<p>I have been tempted to go the Libertarian way, but my concern is that it does not have the political presence in this country to establish a perch alone uncorrupted by dangerous political factions that in some stages are similar to it. For instance, if you have to align yourselves in the &#8220;real&#8221; world away from ideas with pious conservatives, unrestrained corporations, and a military that can create and protect the S. Koreas of the world, it&#8217;s an easy slide to the Fascist bottom of your circular political spectrum, a possible fearful consequence especially considering my first concern above.</p>
<p>I am about your age. Like you, I live in California. I have spent my entire life in the big cities of California. I am also a product of the public school system and have spent many years, because I am not organized, on public university campuses. However, I recoil at the specter of applied Marxism, and I hope that if my life&#8217;s trail is apparent in my writing, it will not dissuade you from responding to my post.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 12:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As we wait in line to be searched like criminals in the name of political correctness this is what they know.

FBI most wanted terrorist list.
 http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/@@wanted-group-listing 

Yet my 85 year old father has to remove clothing and shoes to be scrutinized before he can get on a plane for a trip to Vegas. What a waste and a crying shame.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we wait in line to be searched like criminals in the name of political correctness this is what they know.</p>
<p>FBI most wanted terrorist list.<br />
 <a href="http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/@@wanted-group-listing" rel="nofollow">http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/@@wanted-group-listing</a> </p>
<p>Yet my 85 year old father has to remove clothing and shoes to be scrutinized before he can get on a plane for a trip to Vegas. What a waste and a crying shame.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 01:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a nut shell Troy PROFILING. We know who and where 90% of terrorists are and come from. Secure the borders and shut down immigration from those countries until they get theirs and their citizens act together. Do not renew a single visa from any of those countries, and escort those with expiring visas to the nearest port of exit. PERIOD.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a nut shell Troy PROFILING. We know who and where 90% of terrorists are and come from. Secure the borders and shut down immigration from those countries until they get theirs and their citizens act together. Do not renew a single visa from any of those countries, and escort those with expiring visas to the nearest port of exit. PERIOD.</p>
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		<dc:creator>◄Dave►</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 17:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent! Very well put. ◄Dave►]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! Very well put. ◄Dave►</p>
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		<dc:creator>Historian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 14:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A &quot; gun free zone&quot; is not an aggression free zone; people have been killing one another in large numbers long before the advent of firearms.  Even if one were to be able to completely remove all arms from America, all that would be done would be to guarantee the rule of the Brute Squad.

Which might be the point....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8221; gun free zone&#8221; is not an aggression free zone; people have been killing one another in large numbers long before the advent of firearms.  Even if one were to be able to completely remove all arms from America, all that would be done would be to guarantee the rule of the Brute Squad.</p>
<p>Which might be the point&#8230;.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 06:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As some may recall, I am less about theoretical mumbo jumbo and more about real solutions to real problems.  I don&#039;t try to kid myself that my solutions will be adopted by whatever group is in power but, at least, I am looking at things as they are and as they could be......realistically....really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As some may recall, I am less about theoretical mumbo jumbo and more about real solutions to real problems.  I don&#8217;t try to kid myself that my solutions will be adopted by whatever group is in power but, at least, I am looking at things as they are and as they could be&#8230;&#8230;realistically&#8230;.really.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 06:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I do have a solution.  Rather simple, really.  We need to cap spending at all levels of government.  If we can cap spending we then force the prioritization of government services and programs.  If we are somewhat sly about it, we can provide for an annual cap that does not grow at the rate of our gdp.  Thus, over time, with inflation, governments will gradually represent a smaller piece of the economic pie and be forced to concentrate on the highest priority needs of the citizenry, meaning defense and certain limited health and safety activities.  Maybe some infrastructure stuff that can&#039;t be privatized.  and...maybe to make sure my neighbors crap doesn&#039;t run downhill into my well water, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I do have a solution.  Rather simple, really.  We need to cap spending at all levels of government.  If we can cap spending we then force the prioritization of government services and programs.  If we are somewhat sly about it, we can provide for an annual cap that does not grow at the rate of our gdp.  Thus, over time, with inflation, governments will gradually represent a smaller piece of the economic pie and be forced to concentrate on the highest priority needs of the citizenry, meaning defense and certain limited health and safety activities.  Maybe some infrastructure stuff that can&#8217;t be privatized.  and&#8230;maybe to make sure my neighbors crap doesn&#8217;t run downhill into my well water, etc.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 06:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been participating for a while on a forum called Politcal Soundoff that was originally intended, I believe, to be a place to discuss and debate issues of the day or times.  It is primarily populated now by lazy, intolerant commie pinkos who seem to prefer posting memes rather than engage in any meaningful dialogue.  I have attempted to get int he way of their circle jerking pattern of reinforcing each other&#039;s leftist views but have tired of the meme posting so dropped out.  I just rejoined after determining that, oh well, I guess I owe humanity a reasonable amount of my time to throw roadblocks in the way of the leftist train.  

I have wondered what would happen if a bunch of us more conservative types were to join and really give them a taste of the other point of view on these issues.  Knowing that the people here are exceptionally talented in such discourse, it may cause them all to run and hide from any meaningful dialogue but even that would be a refreshing change from their current success at chasing away most of the real people who join.  Thoughts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been participating for a while on a forum called Politcal Soundoff that was originally intended, I believe, to be a place to discuss and debate issues of the day or times.  It is primarily populated now by lazy, intolerant commie pinkos who seem to prefer posting memes rather than engage in any meaningful dialogue.  I have attempted to get int he way of their circle jerking pattern of reinforcing each other&#8217;s leftist views but have tired of the meme posting so dropped out.  I just rejoined after determining that, oh well, I guess I owe humanity a reasonable amount of my time to throw roadblocks in the way of the leftist train.  </p>
<p>I have wondered what would happen if a bunch of us more conservative types were to join and really give them a taste of the other point of view on these issues.  Knowing that the people here are exceptionally talented in such discourse, it may cause them all to run and hide from any meaningful dialogue but even that would be a refreshing change from their current success at chasing away most of the real people who join.  Thoughts?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure this site will work well for dialogue and banter since it looks to me that we can only respond to blog posts rather than posting our own issues.  Is that right.  Remember, I am 73 and somewhat technology challenged.  Even worse, I have moved to Arizona and am surrounded by tattooed, red-neck preppers.  We now live behind a barbed wire fence with locked gates, have 4 guns and 2 dogs. The older I get, the less tolerant I am for rules and structure so maybe we can talk about a more free-wheeling format.  Waddaya think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure this site will work well for dialogue and banter since it looks to me that we can only respond to blog posts rather than posting our own issues.  Is that right.  Remember, I am 73 and somewhat technology challenged.  Even worse, I have moved to Arizona and am surrounded by tattooed, red-neck preppers.  We now live behind a barbed wire fence with locked gates, have 4 guns and 2 dogs. The older I get, the less tolerant I am for rules and structure so maybe we can talk about a more free-wheeling format.  Waddaya think?</p>
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		<dc:creator>brauneyz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, let&#039;s give it a whirl again.  There certainly is a dearth of intelligent discourse out there in the blogosphere.  As Larry has already discovered though, I&#039;ve moved even further to the right.  I might be down right unrecognizable!

Where to begin ...?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, let&#8217;s give it a whirl again.  There certainly is a dearth of intelligent discourse out there in the blogosphere.  As Larry has already discovered though, I&#8217;ve moved even further to the right.  I might be down right unrecognizable!</p>
<p>Where to begin &#8230;?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK..Dave I&#039;m in and Mary is on the way.  I subscribed but is there some other process in addition?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK..Dave I&#8217;m in and Mary is on the way.  I subscribed but is there some other process in addition?</p>
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