PostHeaderIcon Domestic Terrorist?

I knew it would be a mistake for me to look too deeply into the Oregon Rancher vs. BLM story. I was pretty sure that I would just get pissed off, over another unconstitutional activity of the Feds, which 95% of the sheeple could care less about. Even knowing better, I foolishly followed this link an old friend sent me. Here is Lavoy Finicum, the supposed hot-headed, out-of-town agitator / militia member / ‘domestic terrorist’ from Arizona, whom the government murdered in Oregon last week:

 

It is pretty easy to see why they wanted to eliminate him; and I would bet good money it wasn’t because he was a physical threat to the well-armed jack-booted thugs with badges who ambushed him. I also saw the aerial FBI video, which showed him exiting the car at the roadblock and trudging through deep snow, with his empty hands high in the air, surrounded by cops pointing their weapons at him, before they gunned him down. It just makes me sick to my stomach, because he reminds me so much of some of my good neighbors, when I was a cattle rancher myself in the Sierra foothills. I better shut up now, before I say what I really think… ◄Dave►

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33 Responses to “Domestic Terrorist?”

  • Chris says:

    Sad state of affairs. I haven’t commented on this sooner because I wanted to view some more of the surprising number of videos on his channel. Even after that I don’t have any answers. Mr. Finicum was a rare individual that put his life on the line for what he believed. He paid the price for that. Any benefit remains to be seen They had to kill him as an example. There’s a lesson to be learned but to put it simply what good are any other rights without the right to life.

    I’m nowhere near versed enough in the laws regarding federal land and land use rights vs. private land ( Born and raised on the east coast It’s never come up)and what may be a grey area partnership but it seems this all stems from BLM changing the rules. As heavy handed government grows that’s bound to happen. I would myself be a proponent of all federal lands not as described under the constitution be turned over to the states. Problem there is that the states don’t want the expense of maintaining the lands. Of course that only comes with the need to manage everything. Last I knew you could walk away from an acre of land, come back in five years and have it still be there.

    It all comes down to a government and it’s agencies out of control.

    RIP Mr. Finicum. Your actions of predictable outcome were admirable. If they raise an awareness not wasted.

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  • Troy Robinson says:

    And you guys still doubt that we live in a dictatorship? This is the kind of thing you expect in Putin’s Russia.

    Among other hateful things I think about RE our “government”, can anyone explain to me how an American citizen (i.e. Martha Stewart) can be sent to prison for lying to the government while members of government lie to the citizens with total impunity. Makes it pretty clear who is subservient to who, does it not?

    There is only one possible way to reverse this situation and that involves the use of deadly force in defense of our rights. Yet, when has that not been the case? Can anyone doubt that the Founders anticipated this very thing when they wrote the 2nd amendment to our Constitution?

    IMHO, those who are unwilling to fight for their rights do not deserve any rights.

    Troy

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    • ◄Dave► says:

      You just had to go and remind me of this post…

      Good find, Chris, and well said… ◄Dave►

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      • Chris says:

        Well this is interesting to me. The land out there belongs to the American people. If they are selling off the mineral resources at the expense of our food resources (which it seems they are) It’s criminal. I also never realized how much land was actually out there. I would really like to explore the possibilities of another round of homesteading to get some of that land out of government hands and making it productive in some way. I won’t hold my breath on that.

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        • ◄Dave► says:

          Homesteading sounds like a Federal activity. First, the land should be transferred to the State, as it should have been when they acquired Statehood. Having large tracts of public, multi-use, lands is in itself not a bad idea. I have hunted, fished, camped, hiked, skied, canoed, motor boated, motorcycled, cut firewood, photographed, and enjoyed picnics in national and State forests and parks. I had no difficulty sharing these “commons” with grazing cattle, wildlife, and other citizens.

          Increasingly, however, the kindly “Smokey the Bear” type Rangers of my youth, are being augmented or replaced with armed Federal LEOs, and the lovely vistas are being spoiled by a multitude of “DO NOT …” signs, proscribing most enjoyable recreational activities. Give these treasures to the States, where the wishes of local people have a better chance of being considered in their management. Yes, some of the desert areas could be offered up for homesteading, but by no means all public lands. ◄Dave►

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        • Chris says:

          Agreed. Here in NY we have what I believe is the largest state park in the country. I have spent my entire life either living in it or within hiking distance of it. The Adirondack Park is a nice blend of forever wild, public use, and towns and commercial use. The forever wild and public use is state owned with private property dotting all through it. That private property comes under more strict zoning and use scrutiny but we don’t mind that too much because it helps keep the integrity of the park.

          The only problem I see now is the state keeps acquiring more and more of the private property through land donations from old estates and purchases. Nobody can afford the taxes on the large estates any more. All this land becomes of the forever wild variety never opened to public use. Another problem is the public use “taxes” they call fees. You can almost get a hotel room up there for the price of a camp site in a camp ground. The more they “maintain” (hear control) the more money they need to do it so the expansion of the forever wild over taxes the public use funds and is driving the common man out of the woods.

          Sorry for rambling on off topic. Overall you are correct. The state can manage the land much better that the govt. and if they used the Adirondack model it could be revenue neutral. At least until the greedy state politicians get involved.

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        • Chris says:

          Added to the problem is once the land becomes state owned it comes off the tax rolls completely becoming a liability to the state instead of an asset.

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  • Chris says:

    Don’t know how true, but interesting. Something won’t let this story go away for me. https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/03/08/indications-of-fbi-misconduct-in-shooting-of-oregon-militiaman/

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    • ◄Dave► says:

      YouTube says that video doesn’t exist, Chris. I’ll get around to commenting on the other one soon. I am considering making a new post about it, so I would like to see this one first… ◄Dave►

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    • ◄Dave► says:

      That didn’t work either. 🙁 ◄Dave►

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    • ◄Dave► says:

      See… there was a lowercase ‘i’ in that link. Anyway, that video was embedded in the PJ Media article you referenced above, so I had already seen it. I was already stewing over it, remembering too vividly Ruby Ridge, Lon Horiuchi, and Waco, which got me involved in the Patriot and Militia movements back in the early ’90s. I am still contemplating just how much I should say about what I really think about it, in a new post. At this point, suffice it to say that there is still steam coming out of my ears… 🙁 ◄Dave►

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  • Chris says:

    Don’t know what’s going on with youtube links but I got it to embed here. http://tspeak.us/lavoy-finicum-shooting-two-camera-angles/

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    • ◄Dave► says:

      Agreed, Chris. Accidents can happen, when patriots refuse to plea bargain, and force them to impanel a jury of their peers. Jury nullification… 🙂 ◄Dave►

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