PostHeaderIcon On And On It Goes – Where It Stops, Nobody Knows

Just when you think we have seen the worst from the Obamanation, up comes this:

Democrats Introduce Bill to Seal Up Obama’s Presidential Records

Given that everything else about this fraud is sealed up, I guess this only makes sense.

One thing really does puzzle me though… is there nothing this guy can do that will get some negative reaction from the fools who support him? Such as the Lame-Stream-Media??

Do the bozos in the LSM really believe that they are in for favorable treatment once the Obamanation and his thugs achieve total dictatorship???

Try as I might, I simply cannot see how this “election” process can play out without becoming a disaster for the Republic.

→ If Obama wins re-election, whether honestly or not, individual liberty will soon end and the Republic will likely experience its second civil war.

→ If a Robamaney victory seems likely in the last weeks before the “election”, the Obamanation will likely provoke an excuse for martial law and/or launch a major war in a desperate attempt to stay in power.

→ If Robamaney were to somehow pull off a victory, the regime will no doubt scream foul and convince the the dumbasses that support them that the election was stolen, again starting a major conflict resulting in martial law and/or civil war.

→ Sadly, the very best outcome that is even within the realm of possibility is that Robamaney somehow wins by such a margin that the regime has little choice by to step aside and let the GOP take over. Then the best we can look forward to is more kicking the can down the road while we die a slow national death from insane spending and crushing debt.

I sure wish someone out there would respond to this and explain to me how wrong I am because, at present, I am so convinced that I am mostly correct that it is beginning to affect my health.

Greg, I still anxiously await your explanation as to why you support the regime.

Troy L Robinson

16 Responses to “On And On It Goes – Where It Stops, Nobody Knows”

  • ◄Dave► says:

    I’m sorry, Troy; but I can’t talk you down off that ledge. I’m more likely to climb out there with you and suggest we jump together. One of the things that is irritating me most, is the number of places I am encountering rather convincing arguments, akin to John’s pragmatism, which suggest that refusing to vote for Romney on principle is effectively a vote for Obama. Have you seen:

    http://bit.ly/RieWBQ and http://bit.ly/Rif2cA

    …any thoughts? The idea of slowing it down for more time to try to educate more sheeple makes some sense to me… but then there is Greg. We may have tried to feed him too much logic and reason faster than he could handle it. Actually, our apparent inability to reach him is probably a significant component of our depression. There appeared to be hope for a reasonably open mind. If we couldn’t get through to him, what chance is there for those of his generation, who are so committed to their altruistic feelings that they refuse to even try to think? ◄Dave►

    • Dave,
      Thank you for the article links. Mr. Biddle reasons well the position I’ve taken on Romney-Ryan in discussions with frustrated “liberty minded” folks stating they will vote third-party on principle. It took a “progressive” strategy of protracted and incremental indoctrination/implementation to reach the current state… reasoned analysis recognizes instant reversal is improbable. Romney-Ryan at least slows the current course… hopefully buying time to seize the initiative and promote the benefits of individual liberty grounded governance. Pragmatism please… at this moment, a vote for any other is a futile or fatalists gesture. It is the “left” that votes on emotion more than reason, right?

      Greg may yet, or may never get it. “Collectivism” is akin to alcoholism… it difficult to acknowledge the addiction and harm.

      Brian

    • Troy says:

      Dave,
      There is some truth to the notion that the principled refusal to vote Robamaney/Ryan is, in effect, a vote FOR Obama. Certainly, that is a valid consideration and one I have wrestled with internally. (Saint J9 has already decided to swallow this bitter pill and vote GOP.)

      Several things really bother me regarding such a strategy:

      First (and I have tried to voice this in the past) is that delaying the ultimate collapse into dictatorship could work against us in that the last of the generation that knew true freedom in America continues to die off without being replaced. As I have stated before, my own children have far less sense of impending doom than I because they have never known the level of freedom that you and I experienced.

      Next is my concern that the bigger problem in our current government is the failure of the legislature to use the power allotted to it by our Constitution. So long as the legislature continues to tuck tail and let the executive run roughshod over our rights and our liberty, it seems (to me) that it does not matter as much who occupies the White House.

      Lastly, I hate the feeling that I am being herded — that this is all some grand charade meant to make us think we have some influence over events when the real truth may well be that it makes not one shred of difference which of the duopoly parties “wins” the “election”. One need do nothing more than look back over the two previous administrations where the supposedly liberal one (Clinton) actually was more conservative than the supposedly conservative one (Bush II).

      Recent history suggests that the best outcome is probably a “split” government with one party controlling the legislature and the other controlling the executive. But, this only works if the legislature plays its assigned role. Under the current GOP “leadership” in the legislature, all bets are off.

      So, I have said a lot and moved not one millimeter from my previous position… at the end of the day, the best I can do is cast a vote that is consistent with my principles and not let myself be drawn into the “pick the lesser evil” game.

      If I truly thought that Robamaney/Ryan intended some meaningful change, I would rethink my position. The sad truth is that I think they are both business-as-usual big government types. We are all slaves to an international financial cartel that must be broken before any real change can occur. Both of the duopoly parties are wholly-owned subsidiaries of that cartel.

      Troy

  • Daedalus says:

    I will address the “pragmatism” issue. Pragmatism is the process of adopting an action because the actor thinks it will work even though it violates some principle of the aforesaid actor. The principles I am moved by in the process of voting for Romney are:
    1. That Capitalism is the only moral economic system.
    2. The Constitution and the Republic are worth preserving– still.
    3. I think it is wrong to have my virtues used against me.
    I can continue, but those three will be sufficient.

    I assess O’Bama as being a collectivist and as such immoral in his economic beliefs.
    He does not appear to have the best interests of the Republic in mind. In fact his actions appear more in line with downgrading the Country’s leadership position in the world. His actions vis-à-vis gun rights show he does not respect the Constitution

    Romney does give assurances that he favors our capitalist system. He certainly has had much experience at Bain in seeing what makes for a successful business. He is actions are lukewarm on the Second amendment, but not outright hostile. He does give it some lip service.

    To advocate that I not vote for either politician is a case of trying to use my virtues against me. The thought is that we have two candidates neither of which are virtuous therefore don’t vote for either one. If I were to do that I would have neglected an opportunity to slow down or even avoid the destruction of principles one and two above.
    So my choice is based on the principle of acting in my own self interest not because “it might work.” 🙂

    As far as the outlook for the country goes, in the immediate future (next year) I do expect to see street violence if O’Bama is not elected. I do not expect it to rise to the dimensions of a civil war. In fact it will likely not be as bad as any of the violence that has occurred in the last 100 years. In the near future, after some painful economic adjustments I expect to see amazing growth in the US economy, some years as much as 7% or more. This based on the incredible amounts of oil and gas being discovered presently. For this to happen the EPA has to be scaled back and quite a bit of deregulation has to take place. I have confidence that this will happen if we get rid of the ball and chain presently in the White-house

    • Troy says:

      Dae, I do most sincerely hope you are correct. I have little doubt that Robamaney/Ryan are more inclined toward some form of semi-capitalism than the Obamanation but, to me, that is only part of the problem.

      The major problem that most concerns me is the combination of ruinous spending, the debt this incurs, and the intentional devaluation of our national currency. Combined, these are robbing our people of the fruits of their labor and of any attempt to save for the future. In other words, we are being robbed of the basis of our personal liberty which, to an enormous degree, depends on our ability to be independent of government.

      Neither party has put forth any manner of plan that would curtail this process that promises to eventually enslave us all (all except for the financial elite).

      As I have tried to say in the past, any so-called plan for “economic recovery” and/or “a reduction in runaway spending” that does not begin with elimination (or at least major reform) of the Federal Reserve is a joke — and the joke is on us.

      So long as the Fed (and its owners) are allowed to control our currency, it matters very little who gets elected.

      Troy

      • Daedalus says:

        Agreed the Fed is a major problem. I still think four more years of O’Bama will be a disaster. I envision a state similar to the Third Reich. I do think the country would be much better served by Romney. Don’t misunderstand me, the man is way too religious for my taste, but if he applies to the nation techniques he learned at Bain Capital the debt scenario should improve. The secret is to grow the GDP faster than the debt and at the same time reduce government spending gradually at the same time. This would open private market jobs for displaced government workers to move into. As to how to stimulate the private market, that is simple. Cut corporate taxes, make the Bush tax cuts permanent and repeal O’Bama care, remove all new regulations passed since O’Bama took office. That should be Ok for starters. We may see another major market panic this year or early next year, that will make rational decisions difficult for the politicians. With O’Bama re-elected it will mean more state control and a move towards Fascism, not something I look forward to.

        • ◄Dave► says:

          Dealing with the world as it is, rather than as I would wish it to be, I must concur, John. I rather enjoyed the Republican convention and now have much less animus for Romney. I still don’t forgive him for his ruthless tactics to win the Primary; but his choice of Ryan said a lot about him. It gives me a measure of confidence that he will choose advisers based on their competence. I like his wife a lot, and am inclined to trust her judgement. Just the organizational skills displayed in melding a somewhat unified Party behind him, out of the warring factions within the Republican Party, speaks well of the competence of his team. I’ll still vote for Johnson, because it doesn’t matter here in CA; but I won’t be disappointed when Romney wins in November. We could have done a whole lot worse. ◄Dave►

        • Troy says:

          Dae,
          I think you are totally correct about the outcome of another Obamanation term. My problem is that I think the fate you described awaits us, eventually, no matter which duopoly party seems to be in charge. If that analysis is correct, then I further propose that our side has a better chance to prevail if the civil strife starts now rather than several more years down the road. Plus, I may be just ornery enough to not want to miss it.

          Troy

  • Daedalus says:

    Troy, if it starts under O’Bamanation you won’t have the choice of watching, they will round up all the potential troublemakers ahead of time for sequestration holidays or extended “counseling”. 🙂 They have all your comments on file.

  • Daedalus says:

    Just an note on the Republican Platform:

    The Second Amendment: Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms

    We uphold the right of individuals to keep and bear arms, a right which antedated the Constitution and was solemnly confirmed by the Second Amendment. We acknowledge, support, and defend the law-abiding citizen’s God-given right of self-defense. We call for the protection of such fundamental individual rights recognized in the Supreme Court’s decisions in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago affirming that right, and we recognize the individual responsibility to safely use and store firearms. This also includes the right to obtain and store ammunition without registration. We support the fundamental right to self-defense wherever a law-abiding citizen has a legal right to be, and we support federal legislation that would expand the exercise of that right by allowing those with state-issued carry permits to carry firearms in any state that issues such permits to its own residents. Gun ownership is responsible citizenship, enabling Americans to defend their homes and communities. We condemn frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers and oppose federal licensing or registration of law-abiding gun owners. We oppose legislation that is intended to restrict our Second Amendment rights by limiting the capacity of clips or magazines or otherwise restoring the ill-considered Clinton gun ban. We condemn the reckless actions associated with the operation known as “Fast and Furious,” conducted by the Department of Justice, which resulted in the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol Agent and others on both sides of the border. We applaud the Members of the U.S. House of Representatives in holding the current Administration’s Attorney General in contempt of Congress for his refusal to cooperate with their investigation into that debacle. We oppose the improper collection of firearms sales information in the four southern border states, which was imposed without congressional authority.

    From the NRA:

    The inclusion of specific issues, such as the right to self-defense, opposition to the semi-auto ban, and support for interstate Right-to-Carry reciprocity makes this the most pro-Second Amendment position ever included in a major party platform. The NRA commends the GOP for taking a strong and unambiguous stance in support of our fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms.

    A gleam of hope?

    • ◄Dave► says:

      Yes, I must admit that that is impressive. I’d like to see Romney and Ryan avow support of it. ◄Dave►

    • Troy says:

      Time will tell. My experience with politicians is that when all has been said and done, much has been said while little has been done.

      I wish their statement (and the overall platform) had very clearly addressed the continued transfer of authority from out duly-elected representatives, however dysfunctional they may be, to the United Nations. I am particularly concerned about that weapons ban that Hillary has signed us up for. Validation of treaties like that require only the consent of the Senate — not exactly a stalwart bunch of pro-Americans as currently constituted.

      Troy

  • Daedalus says:

    Troy, the weapons ban is dead for the immediate moment.
    http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2012/nra-stops-un-arms-trade-treaty.aspx
    It will probably rear its ugly head again if O’Bama gets a new lease on misery creation.

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