Comments on: Protest or Reform? http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2009/05/02/protest-or-reform/ ...A Haven For Sovereign Rational Minds Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:08:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ◄Dave► http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2009/05/02/protest-or-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-662 ◄Dave► Tue, 05 May 2009 07:08:09 +0000 http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/?p=874#comment-662 Bush couldn't have done near what he did, Steel, if Congress were populated with one-term citizen legislators who wouldn't have been anxious to hand him a blank check on war powers, in order not to have their vote pro or con for war on their record. The idea would be to eventually elect citizens who would agree to repeal all of the unconstitutional statutes, and to refuse to fund all of the unconstitutional and unnecessary executive departments. The Federal Reserve Act could be repealed and we could return to using real money. I don't know about the Democrats; they are pretty entrenched in their Progressive ideology, with a huge base of tax spenders wishing to keep plundering the producers. The Republican Party, however, could be destroyed overnight; because they no longer have an ideological base, or very many loyal constituents. I think killing even one of the Parties would spoil the game for the pros. Yes, revolution in this climate would be chaos. It distresses me that, while the subject is very much in the wind, nobody is discussing a strategy for the end game. The universal quest, whether by the Tea Party or 9/12 Project types who think they can do it peacefully; or the militia types who are past ready to lock and load, is to return to the rule of law and Constitutional government as it was in the first hundred years of our nation's existence. I concur; but it is going to take a lot more than throwing the bums out to get there. In the end, I don't think we are going to have much to say about the trigger. I fully expect the Feds to concoct some false flag operation, or permit some ill-conceived precipitous action by the skinheads or such, which they could have prevented, to demonize the "right-wing-nuts" as a pretext for disarming the population. That will be your big trigger, and it will spin out of any hope of control from there, into a very ugly mess. I won't be the least surprised if it happens before the year is out. A wise man would be prepared for it. ◄Dave► Bush couldn’t have done near what he did, Steel, if Congress were populated with one-term citizen legislators who wouldn’t have been anxious to hand him a blank check on war powers, in order not to have their vote pro or con for war on their record. The idea would be to eventually elect citizens who would agree to repeal all of the unconstitutional statutes, and to refuse to fund all of the unconstitutional and unnecessary executive departments. The Federal Reserve Act could be repealed and we could return to using real money.

I don’t know about the Democrats; they are pretty entrenched in their Progressive ideology, with a huge base of tax spenders wishing to keep plundering the producers. The Republican Party, however, could be destroyed overnight; because they no longer have an ideological base, or very many loyal constituents. I think killing even one of the Parties would spoil the game for the pros.

Yes, revolution in this climate would be chaos. It distresses me that, while the subject is very much in the wind, nobody is discussing a strategy for the end game. The universal quest, whether by the Tea Party or 9/12 Project types who think they can do it peacefully; or the militia types who are past ready to lock and load, is to return to the rule of law and Constitutional government as it was in the first hundred years of our nation’s existence.

I concur; but it is going to take a lot more than throwing the bums out to get there. In the end, I don’t think we are going to have much to say about the trigger. I fully expect the Feds to concoct some false flag operation, or permit some ill-conceived precipitous action by the skinheads or such, which they could have prevented, to demonize the “right-wing-nuts” as a pretext for disarming the population. That will be your big trigger, and it will spin out of any hope of control from there, into a very ugly mess. I won’t be the least surprised if it happens before the year is out. A wise man would be prepared for it. ◄Dave►

]]> By: ◄Dave► http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2009/05/02/protest-or-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-639 ◄Dave► Mon, 04 May 2009 20:06:48 +0000 http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/?p=874#comment-639 Agreed. When the SHTF, we will need all the sympathetic citizens we can find, who will not buy the government's BS that somehow <i>we</i> are the evil ones. Thank you for all that you do, Sarge. You are my hero! ◄Dave► Agreed. When the SHTF, we will need all the sympathetic citizens we can find, who will not buy the government’s BS that somehow we are the evil ones. Thank you for all that you do, Sarge. You are my hero! ◄Dave►

]]> By: Gabe Carpio http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2009/05/02/protest-or-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-635 Gabe Carpio Mon, 04 May 2009 19:46:21 +0000 http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/?p=874#comment-635 Thank you, thank you, thank you. My friend says, "Lets go to the Tea Party and let our voices be heard", and I told him that those few who would listen were listening already and those who aren't .. and that is most .. will continue to be deaf to the people. The only purpose the Tea Parties served was to encourage people that they are not alone and in the event of real action, to show our hand. I stay home and study and write and when I go out it is to encourage my fellow soldiers to actually READ the Constitution that they all swore oath to and decide where they stand because waiting until your are being ordered to do something unconstitutional is one hell of a time to be trying to make up your mind! -SGT Carpio Thank you, thank you, thank you.
My friend says, “Lets go to the Tea Party and let our voices be heard”, and I told him that those few who would listen were listening already and those who aren’t .. and that is most .. will continue to be deaf to the people. The only purpose the Tea Parties served was to encourage people that they are not alone and in the event of real action, to show our hand. I stay home and study and write and when I go out it is to encourage my fellow soldiers to actually READ the Constitution that they all swore oath to and decide where they stand because waiting until your are being ordered to do something unconstitutional is one hell of a time to be trying to make up your mind!
-SGT Carpio

]]> By: Steel Phoenix http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/2009/05/02/protest-or-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-614 Steel Phoenix Mon, 04 May 2009 04:03:03 +0000 http://www.thoughtsaloud.com/?p=874#comment-614 I'm not sure if term limits are constructive or not. In one sense, they help prevent one person or group from building too much power, on the other, in something more like a monarchy, a king knows that if he screws things up, his children will inherit it. Shorter term limits lead to what we saw with Bush: Screw it up and leave. On revolution. If you were to try and herd a combination of cats and sheep, you would have the current environment for revolution. We have no real hope of revolution in the next few years, because it requires clarity of thought that doesn't currently exist in mass. The best we will get is stampede. A stampede of those proportions is going to require one hell of a trigger. I’m not sure if term limits are constructive or not. In one sense, they help prevent one person or group from building too much power, on the other, in something more like a monarchy, a king knows that if he screws things up, his children will inherit it. Shorter term limits lead to what we saw with Bush: Screw it up and leave.

On revolution. If you were to try and herd a combination of cats and sheep, you would have the current environment for revolution. We have no real hope of revolution in the next few years, because it requires clarity of thought that doesn’t currently exist in mass. The best we will get is stampede.

A stampede of those proportions is going to require one hell of a trigger.

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